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I have recently finished this book and it deserves a real in depth look at what Jesus has told us and how the American Christian life measures up to it. The author, David Platt is a pastor of a growing church in Birmingham, Alabama who stopped to realize where he is going in the light of what Jesus' Words were for His church.

It is definitely a wake-up call for all of us - it is on the New York Times best seller list.  David tells the dramatic story of what is happening as a 'successful' urban church decides to get serious about the gospel according to Jesus.

I highly recommend and challenge  all who believe in Jesus to read this book !

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Alan, recently completed this book as well. In my personal walk of faith, I am more and more being led to this kind of book, bible study, call to return to THE FAITH ONCE DELIVERED. Thanks for reminding me of such a great, insightful resource.


Jerry Linnins said:
Alan, recently completed this book as well. In my personal walk of faith, I am more and more being led to this kind of book, bible study, call to return to THE FAITH ONCE DELIVERED. Thanks for reminding me of such a great, insightful resource.


Alan Satorius said:
Thanks for the reply Jerry. My wife is finishing it now and we plan to change things in our lives

 God bless you and have a new, new year - we plan to !!!
Jerry Linnins said:
Alan, recently completed this book as well. In my personal walk of faith, I am more and more being led to this kind of book, bible study, call to return to THE FAITH ONCE DELIVERED. Thanks for reminding me of such a great, insightful resource.

Alan,

Thank you for recommending this book. I read it in about 2 weeks time and made tons of notes during the process. I could really sense the author's frustration of being pastor of a megachurch that he now believes is something that prevents instead of promotes Jesus' instructions. Our 60+ year old Baptist pastor says he wants to build a disciple making church but reverted to his old ways ... get a building, start programs and promote tithing ... within 6 months. It's tough to do what David Platt recommends, but most of what he says I find to be Biblically sound. 

 

While Platt makes a strong argument for disciple making, I found his 'how to" lacking. I still believe Doug and Suzie Morrell have the best method going at  www.coregroups.org

While what the author writes seems great, the problem is that the he still lives in the U.S. where it costs much more to live. Try living in a home of 400 square feet.

Gerald,

Agreed - but what he says is a great encouragement to share more of our excess to those who are in dire straits, not only in physical needs, but very importantly their spiritual need of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

I'm starting to adjust our life style to be more in line with what Jesus clearly tells us, to love and share.

Anyone in America can get assistance and welfare. Whereas in other countries that may be impossible.  So I wonder where the need for food, etc. in America is.

If I am like the majority of Christians, the only people I see on a regular basis who need food are the panhandlers at street intersections. I because I've learned most of them use contributions to buy cigarettes, drugs and booze, it's become very easy for me to think "I don't really see anyone who needs food." But when I talk with public school teachers who see kids on a daily basis without food or food money. And when I visit the local food bank and see a line of people, I become more aware that there are thousands of Americans who need food. One of our local city council members is a friend of mine. He was told that there are 2,000 kids on any given day in our town of 350,000 who are homeless. His initial response was similar to Gerald's ... I don't see them, so therefore, they don't exist. Or my friend is thinking, I don't see them so they must be getting take of. Truth is, I won't see them if they are sleeping in a car in the parking lot of the high school ... this is happening. Or I won't see them if they are sleeping on friend's couches.

 

I took Platt's book to say that if Christians became more aware of the problems that exist in America, we might change our churches and homes to be more like Jesus ... give them food and shelter AND help them solve the root cause of why they have no regular food or shelter. I believe churches do poor to medium on the former and almost nothing on the latter.

 

 



Tom Pryor said:

If I am like the majority of Christians, the only people I see on a regular basis who need food are the panhandlers at street intersections. I because I've learned most of them use contributions to buy cigarettes, drugs and booze, it's become very easy for me to think "I don't really see anyone who needs food." But when I talk with public school teachers who see kids on a daily basis without food or food money. And when I visit the local food bank and see a line of people, I become more aware that there are thousands of Americans who need food. One of our local city council members is a friend of mine. He was told that there are 2,000 kids on any given day in our town of 350,000 who are homeless. His initial response was similar to Gerald's ... I don't see them, so therefore, they don't exist. Or my friend is thinking, I don't see them so they must be getting take of. Truth is, I won't see them if they are sleeping in a car in the parking lot of the high school ... this is happening. Or I won't see them if they are sleeping on friend's couches.

 

I took Platt's book to say that if Christians became more aware of the problems that exist in America, we might change our churches and homes to be more like Jesus ... give them food and shelter AND help them solve the root cause of why they have no regular food or shelter. I believe churches do poor to medium on the former and almost nothing on the latter.

 

 



Alan Satorius said: Amen Tom!!


Tom Pryor said:

If I am like the majority of Christians, the only people I see on a regular basis who need food are the panhandlers at street intersections. I because I've learned most of them use contributions to buy cigarettes, drugs and booze, it's become very easy for me to think "I don't really see anyone who needs food." But when I talk with public school teachers who see kids on a daily basis without food or food money. And when I visit the local food bank and see a line of people, I become more aware that there are thousands of Americans who need food. One of our local city council members is a friend of mine. He was told that there are 2,000 kids on any given day in our town of 350,000 who are homeless. His initial response was similar to Gerald's ... I don't see them, so therefore, they don't exist. Or my friend is thinking, I don't see them so they must be getting take of. Truth is, I won't see them if they are sleeping in a car in the parking lot of the high school ... this is happening. Or I won't see them if they are sleeping on friend's couches.

 

I took Platt's book to say that if Christians became more aware of the problems that exist in America, we might change our churches and homes to be more like Jesus ... give them food and shelter AND help them solve the root cause of why they have no regular food or shelter. I believe churches do poor to medium on the former and almost nothing on the latter.

 

 

I was in the schools for years as a teacher then later as a professor and saw more abuse of the system than you can imagine.  While I weas a kid many times my dad was asked fro a handout and only once did anyone ever come to work on the farm. The rest wanted a handout.

 

I can also remember when there were men at home too lazy to work and I was working as a high school student.

A few years ago John Stossel did a documentary on soup kitchens bing done by chruches and one of the men they interviewed said that he was getting fat by visitring soup kitchens and never got better until he decided to start working and quit going to the soup kitchens.

 

I cannot begin to tell you how many people would come by the church I pastored who were nothing more than liars. So many gave stories that when I checked them out they were fabricated lies.

 

The first school I taught at had children whose parents were vegetable pickers and it was amazing how much money their kids had in their bank accounts. In 1984 it was not unusual for a senior to have at least $6,000 or more in his bank account because off working during the summer.

 

While I know there are some who need help, the help they truly need is not being given. The help they need is not a handout.

 

Years ago I helped a family with their home for free. What I saw was shocking. The son who was a junior in college literally rolled out of bed, crawled on the floor and rolled onto the couch then stayed there all day while I worked on their home for free. The son watched TV the entire day and never offered to help.

 

We have so many students today in the universities who complain when there professors require much less than they did 20 years earlier. Even their parents call and complain.

 

The last statistics I saw a few years ago were that 30 years ago students spent 60 hours per week on academic pursuits but today it is 35.

 

We have too many handouts in America and not real help. That is the real problem.

 

America has given people a fish but has not taught them top fish.

 

I had a blind roommate in college and the U.S. government would rather give him $1,000 a month than provide an employer with that amount for a grant and give him employment so that he can have more than $1,000 per month to live on.

 

 

Tom Pryor said:

 And when I visit the local food bank and see a line of people, I become more aware that there are thousands of Americans who need food. One of our local city council members is a friend of mine. He was told that there are 2,000 kids on any given day in our town of 350,000 who are homeless. His initial response was similar to Gerald's ... I don't see them, so therefore, they don't exist. Or my friend is thinking, I don't see them so they must be getting take of. Truth is, I won't see them if they are sleeping in a car in the parking lot of the high school ... this is happening. Or I won't see them if they are sleeping on friend's couches.

 

 

 

Gerald, your words are full of knowledge, experience, wisdom and discernment.

 

I have two friends who teach at the college level. They told me their frustrations with the students coming from American high schools. Most cannot read or write well ... but boy can they text! Both my friends said that many students only come to class when there is a test. And when one of them fails, they ask "What can I do for additional credit for you to pass me?" You know their answer ... "Nothing at this point. Previously, however, you could have shown interest and come to class regularly."

 

I believe we have a similar situation in our churches today. If you have time, say a little prayer for me Sunday morning when I start an 8-part Bible Study on Radical by David Platt. I'm going to be stepping on some toes, but disciple making needs to discussed and done.

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